how can I find the
price at which options traders have most bets? in tastytrades and think or
swim? Also how do professional traders use this strategy on a day to day?
ChatGPT said:
What you’re asking about is
essentially: “How do I see where the biggest bets are in the options market
(i.e. which strike(s) have the most open interest / largest positioning)?” —
and “How do pros use that information in their daily trading?”
I’ll break this down in two parts:
1. How to find the strike(s) with the most bets (i.e. where market
interest is clustered)
In options markets, the common proxies
for “where the bets are” are open interest and sometimes max
pain (or “pin risk”) estimates. Open interest (OI) tells you how many
option contracts are currently outstanding (not yet closed) at each strike +
expiration — so a strike with very high open interest can indicate a lot of
“betting” is concentrated there.
Here’s how you can do that in
Tastytrade / Tastyworks and in ThinkOrSwim (TOS) / ThinkScript.
In Tastytrade / Tastyworks
- In the options chain on
Tastyworks, you can view the open interest for each strike and expiration
period. The strikes with the largest open interest are often the ones with
“most bets.”
- Some traders will sort or filter
by open interest or by “volume + OI” to see strikes that are heavily
populated.
- As expiration approaches,
comparing OI distributions across strikes can help you see where the
“pinning” or clustering is happening.
- Tastytrade also publishes
educational content about “max pain” theory (i.e. the strike where options
sellers have the least liability) which is often overlaid on open interest
distributions.
However, Tastyworks/Tastytrade doesn’t
(to my knowledge) give a built-in “heatmap of max bets” like some specialized
options analytics tools do (though third-party or chart-overlay tools might).
In ThinkOrSwim (TOS)
ThinkOrSwim is more flexible. You can:
- Use the Options Chain /
“Product Depth” view. There is a “Product Depth” (or “Option
Metrics”) tab which will show you curves (e.g. open interest vs. strike)
and highlight which strikes have the greatest open interest. YouTube
- Use thinkScript: TOS provides a
function open_interest() which returns the open interest for a given strike. Think or Swim Learning Center
- You can build a study or overlay
that shows (for the currently selected expiration) the top 3 or 5 strikes
by open interest (both calls and puts).
- There are community scripts
(e.g. “Top 5 Highest OI Calls & Puts” indicator) that draw those
strikes on your price chart. YouTube+1
- Use scans / filters:
You can scan for options where volume > open interest or where OI is particularly
high. useThinkScript
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- Use the “Trade Flash” /
Unusual Options Activity gadget or widget in TOS, which shows
large trades as they print (which often coincide with bets opening at or
near major strikes). YouTube
A caveat: open interest is updated
end-of-day (not intra-day in many systems), so your snapshot may lag the
real-time shifts in positioning. Also, extremely large trades (block trades)
sometimes happen outside of the displayed chain before they get registered.
Another concept frequently used
is “max pain / max pain theory” — the idea that as expiration
approaches, the underlying often gravitates toward the strike where option
sellers (writers) have the least liability (i.e. where the sum of open interest
losses is minimized). This is controversial, but many retail and
semi-professional traders use it as a reference point. Investopedia+2Option
Samurai+2
- In TOS, there are thinkScripts
people have shared that plot the “max pain” line on the chart. useThinkScript
Community+2Reddit+2
- Some websites (like OptionCharts)
compute max pain for you given open interest distributions. OptionCharts
So in short: you look at open interest
(and changes in it), optionally overlay a max pain estimate, and see which
strikes are the “heaviest” in terms of positioning.
2. How professional / sophisticated traders might use this information
(day-to-day strategy)
Knowing where the bets are
concentrated gives you insight into potential support/resistance zones, pin
straddles, and where price might gravitate (or be pushed) especially near
expiration. Here’s how pros often use this:
A. Identifying Support/Resistance and “Pin” Zones
- If a strike has very high open
interest, especially in both calls and puts, that strike can act like a
magnet (or “pin”) near expiration. Price may tend to gravitate toward or
struggle to move away from that level.
- Traders will monitor how price
behaves relative to those heavy OI strikes. If price is below a heavy OI
strike, that strike might act as resistance. If above, it might act as
support (depending on the split of calls versus puts).
- Close to expiration, this effect
(if present) can become stronger (because option sellers may hedge, or
delta hedging dynamics come into play).
B. Fade or Align Trades Around the Clustering
- If you see a very large
concentration of open interest at a given strike, some traders will fade extreme
moves away from that strike — betting that price will revert back.
- Others will ride momentum if
price breaks away decisively from that heavy strike, using the “pop or
drop” hypothesis (i.e. once the pin is broken, there may be momentum).
- Traders sometimes use straddle
/ strangle / iron condor strategies around high-OI strikes: e.g.
shorting or buying protection around that zone.
C. Hedging / Dynamic Adjustments
- Option sellers (i.e. market
makers or professional volatility sellers) will monitor how far price is
from heavy strikes and dynamically hedge their delta exposure. That
hedging flow can influence price momentum.
- If price moves close to a heavy
OI strike, option sellers may start hedging more aggressively — pushing
price.
D. Risk Management & Expiration Effects
- As expiration approaches
(especially same-day or 0DTE), the sensitivity of open interest / max pain
clusters increases. Traders will watch whether OI at certain strikes is
being “blown out” (i.e. big position squaring) which could lead to
volatility.
- Professionals use these
OI/clustering insights to gauge where liquidity might be thin or where a
squeeze could happen.
E. Combining with Other Indicators / Flow
- OI / cluster data is rarely used
in isolation. Pros combine it with volume, implied volatility, delta skew,
order flow, time of day, news events, technical levels, etc.
- They also watch changes in
open interest (i.e. daily Δ OI) to see where new money is entering or old
money exiting.
Practical Example (Day Trading Scenario)
Let me sketch a hypothetical daily
flow:
- Early in the day, you pull up the
open interest distribution for your target stock (or index) for the
nearest expiration. You see a particularly high concentration at
strike X (call and put).
- You overlay the max pain line
(which is close to strike X).
- You place “watch zones”
around X (e.g. ± $2 or ± $5) as potential reversal or
support zones.
- If price drifts near X and
stalls (with weakening momentum), you might take a mean-reversion trade
(e.g. fade the drift).
- If price breaks through X decisively,
you might join the breakout direction, expecting that once the “pin” is
broken, momentum may accelerate.
- As you trade, you monitor order
flow / volume to confirm whether there's genuine buying or selling
pressure.
- Late in the day, you may adjust
or close positions approaching expiration, especially if price is very
close to a heavy OI strike (because of increased pin / gamma effects).
Over many trades, the repeated
observation of how price reacts around heavy OI strikes gives you probabilistic
edges or warning zones.
Limitations & Caveats
- Open interest is typically
updated end-of-day; intraday shifts may not be fully reflected.
- The “max pain / strike clustering
causes price to gravitate” idea is debated — it does not always work,
especially in highly trending or news-driven markets. Investopedia+1
- Large players can move markets,
so clustering may sometimes be the cause after the move,
not the reason for it.
- It’s one tool among many —
relying solely on OI clustering is risky.
- Liquidity, bid/ask spreads,
slippage, and order execution costs can erode advantages especially for
retail traders.
If you like, I can walk you through
a step-by-step tutorial (with screenshots or scripts) on how
to do this in ThinkOrSwim (e.g. build a thinkScript that shows top OI strikes,
overlay max pain, and create alerts). Do you want me to guide you through that?